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 Post subject: Building a computer
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:00 am 
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As the title says I am planning to build a computer. The problem is I have never done anything such as this before. Thus it is obvious why I am coming here, I need help. My budget is 500$ maximum. I am just trying to get a decent gaming computer nothing really fancy.

The only thing that I have decided on is to get this case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147153

Some things which I could use some help on are Hard Drive(500GBs, no more than a 1 TB), Processor & motherboard, Video/Graphics Card (Nothing too fancy), and RAM.
Then from here I can determine what power supply I should get.

Any feedback on what I have chosen or need help on choosing is appreicated. :D


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 Post subject: Re: Building a computer
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:45 am 
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Well after a week or so I have done quite a lot of browsing in my free time and this is the list of parts I have come up with:

Case: 49.99$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147153

Power:(650W) 79.99$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182132

Hard Drive:(500GB) 59.99$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148767&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&PageSize=10&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&IsFeedbackTab=true#scrollFullInfo

CD/Burner: 19.99$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

Processor:(125W) 99.99$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727

RAM:(1333Mhz) 45.99$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145315

GPU(Radeon 6570)64.99$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=14-161-391&SortField=5&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Keywords=%28keywords%29&Page=1#scrollFullInfo

MotherBoard Considerations:
-ASRock 970 EXTREME3 AM3+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813157280
(84.99$ + shipping 15$~)

Total cost so far:
parts/shipping= 521$
With tax: 575$

Regarding the processor, case and GPU; my brother's friend said he had the processor and case and was offering 120$ for both instead of 150$ from new egg. But that is still being looked at as an option. With this in consideration if I am able to save that 30$ on the case & processor, I will probably put that money into a better GPU. I might get a refurbished EVGA GPU such as this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130753
Other than that, that is about it concerning what I am looking at right now.

If you have any concerns or recommendations please feel free to speak up, this is my first build and I could use all the help that is offered.


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 Post subject: Re: Building a computer
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:36 pm 
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i heard radeons break not long after their warrant expires


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 Post subject: Re: Building a computer
PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:30 am 
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i heard radeons break not long after their warrant expires


Radeons (ATI) are no more prone to breaking as nVidia cards. Its depends on the brand on how well the card is made

HIS is a good brand, I have used them several times. And yes, they are ATI cards too. Have one thats still working after 4 years.

Best thing to do is look at the reviews, this is also a good idea becouse every brand can have a dud.

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 Post subject: Re: Building a computer
PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:23 am 
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I commented in your quote cause I was too lazy to split it up.

Bobington wrote:
Well after a week or so I have done quite a lot of browsing in my free time and this is the list of parts I have come up with:

Case: 49.99$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147153
Always decide on your case later in the process, because honestly, it's all about what's inside it, and you won't really notice the case all that much. You need to know if your stuff will fit in the case, how the cable routing room is, the build quality, if coolers will fit, etc etc.

Power:(650W) 79.99$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182132
Seems a bit overkill TBH, I have a 620W supply with 2 HDDs, a GTX 660, a 6 core amd processor with big ass cooler, an MSI ATX size board, 8 gb of ram and some pretty lights, and based on some research, that peaks full load at 450, 500 if it's feeling frisky.
But also you do NOT want to skimp on your power supply, find a trusted brand with lots of reviews and don't skimp on the price. You don't want a PSU that fries in a month, and might take parts or the rest of your system with it. Get a brand like seasonic, corsair, cooler master. I haven't looked much as rosewill, so do your research. Your PSU here IS modular, make sure if you get another one that it is. Otherwise it will be a nightmare to attempt to cable route.

Hard Drive:(500GB) 59.99$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148767&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&PageSize=10&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&IsFeedbackTab=true#scrollFullInfo
This looks like a decent deal, I've got quite a bit of faith in seagate. Plus I love their hard drive tools.

CD/Burner: 19.99$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204
Not even going to click the link, who the fuck cares.

Processor:(125W) 99.99$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727
I've read lots of good things about this CPU, was thinking of getting it myself (it was a backup to my FX-6200 if I couldn't end up getting it). However it has a pretty big architecture, 45 nm, and is an older CPU, no harm done though.

RAM:(1333Mhz) 45.99$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145315
Personally, I'd get a higher clock ram. I've got myself some 1600 mhz (make sure your mobo supports it, yours says 1600(overclock), not sure if that means it supports 1600mhz by default or not, look into it).
I've got this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6820231416
It's $1 more for the same everything except the clock speed. Worth it to me.
BY THE WAY, YOUR MOTHERBOARD HAS A FREE 8 GB G.SKILL RAM LIMITED OFFER :)

GPU(Radeon 6570)64.99$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=14-161-391&SortField=5&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Keywords=%28keywords%29&Page=1#scrollFullInfo
nononononono.
For gaming, your gfx is very arguably your best component, you want to spend the majority of your monies here if you can, make sure you also get a trusted brand, I've never even heard of this OEM. Plus it has pretty small vents on the back plate which will probably run hotter, but I can't get a comparison of how good it is, because I don't roll with AMD cards. But it's probably equivalent to an nvidia 560 (wild guess). I can't recofigure your whole rig, but spend more on your gfx if you can. Plus on newegg this GPU is out of stock. Also, this is a pci express 2.1 card, I haven't done too much research, but check if that's compatible with your mobo. Also also, dat bit architecture, pretty damn low. Then again it's an older card and AMD, don't trust me :)

P.S. Personally unless it has an RMA or couple year warranty, I wouldn't get a refurb GPU, that's just my opinion though. I've heard horror stories.

P.S.S/EDIT: Eldar says HIS is a good brand, and I'm sure eldar has built a good number more computers compared to my 1 system. But still I advise spending more IF possible, and make sure you either get a mainstream trusted brand, or do your research ;)


MotherBoard Considerations:
-ASRock 970 EXTREME3 AM3+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813157280
(84.99$ + shipping 15$~)
This looks like a decent board. For the price it's loaded plus the free ram that comes with it (if you get through newegg)


Other notes:
You want to make things as future proof as possible, and research as much as possible. I started the goal of making my own computer in april, and actually got the parts and built it at christmas last year. I also learned and had fun the entire way.
I would also invest in an aftermarket cooler, I use something like this, and it keeps my 6 core at a nice 7 degrees idle, and no more than 35 C in any game I've played. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6835103065

But get a mobo with expansion options, don't skimp on your PSU, even if it means getting a crappy something else for a while, and the GPU is most important for gaming. As long as you don't have a bottlenecking CPU, which you should be fine with your 965.

Get some gorram thermal paste. You don't want to have your ass in the sand when you go to put your dinky stock cooler on and have no thermal paste, then all of the sudden you can't run the system for a couple weeks while your order some. Also, just put a small pea dot in the middle and push down slowly. I put more like 2 peas and I had some spillage, had to clean the CPU and start over. It really spreads out more than you think.

If you have questions feel free to ask on steam, I didn't have too much time to research into this for you at that.
EDIT: You're not on my steam, well, add me if you have questions: steamcommunity.com/id/43001



ALSO: http://pcpartpicker.com/

This website was SO useful to me. It shows potential issues with your build, filters out what is compatible(IE: select a mobo, and it filters processors that won't fit), and shows some wattage usage information, along with a nice interface.


And honestly, if there's any way you could save up, even just $100 more, it would be worth it.

If you're interested, I think I spent around $1000, monitor and all(I already had a 320 GB HDD for my OS, and a copy of W7) So here's my build:

AMD FX-6200 (3.8 GHz stock, 4.1 OC)
Cooler master hyper 212 plus cooler
MSI 970A-G46
Geforce GTX 660
8 gb G.Skill sniper 1600 MHz ram
Seasonic 620W 80+ bronze certified, 1 12V rail, modular
LG who-gives-a-fuck CD R/W drive
Seagate 1TB 7200 64mb cache 3.5" HDD
Fractal design define R4(omigawd so nice of a case)

With exception to the RAM(could've gotten up to 1866 for my mobo)
and my GPU, not a 680, this is just about the best damn system you could build that's not ridiculous. Ofc you could have an SSD, water cooling, SLI 690's, 32 GB of ram (lol why), and a 1250W power supply, but at that point it's just about dick waving, not having a good system.


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 Post subject: Re: Building a computer
PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:31 am 
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Thank you everyone for your input so far, every little bite of information helps. So some information and thoughts about these parts and your responses.

1.First off about the graphics card, to me anything above a integrated card is great. Especially considering the computer I currently use has a integrated card and it can can't handle games like Gmod at times( I get around 15-40fps on Gmod). I know that the HIS IceQ Radeon 6570 is out of stock. Things are constantly going in and out of stock, which bugs me so. Thus I have been looking at a few other GPUs here:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=14-127-686&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Keywords=%28keywords%29#scrollFullInfo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814162117
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130827
P.S. about the refurbished cards I had already decided that if I were to get a refurb I would get a 1-2 year warranty from New Egg, specifically the ones for refurbishments.

2. Regarding the 8Gb Ram that comes with the mobo that was not there before XD it also seems that they are constantly putting up/ taking down promotions on different things, and besides the reason I had chosen the Corsair 8Gb Ram was because my friend said it would be useful to have that heat dispersement on those cards, he also stated that corsair was a good brand to go with. Also regarding what you brought up postman with the 1600Mhz(OC)/1333mhz situation I would have to over clock the CPU( according to what I have read) to get the mobo to work with 1600Mhz ram. While with 1333 I can just leave it the way it is, which is something I am fine with considering this is my first build and I know that the mobo is 1333Mhz RAM compatible.

3. Regarding the CPU. The reason I have chosen this CPU is because the computer in which I use right now has the same CPU but a little earlier in the series, and what I have seen is that it is a reliable CPU and because it is older there are plenty more review and feedback so I can know what I get. As I said, this is my first build and I am trying to play it as safe as possible.

4. Regarding the Power supply. This power supply is not final, I just chose because I was not sure how much power the build would use, and worst comes to worse I still have a power supply that can support more stuff in the future if needed.

5. About the DVD/CD drive, stock it fine I don't care for blue-ray or anything special. The hard drive anything above 500Gb seems to be over kill to me TBH, I would never need more than that much memory.

In the end I biggest problem right now is finding a decent graphics card(110$ or less) that will relieve a bit of stress for the simpler games that I do play such as Gmod( Besides I dont really have any money to spend on video games other than the occasional Halo game every 3 years for Xbox). I guess I didn't state this but my budget is 575$ for the computer its self( I could probably find a keyboard, mouse and monitor some where, wouldn't be anything fancy which I am okay with that). Finally as I have said before, this is my first build. I do not plan to do anything really special like overclocking the CPU to the best possible outcome. I would rather just buy everything at its factory clocked state, make sure they are compatible, and not risk screw anything up TBH. Other than that thank you for your all your support and any more is still very much appreciated :D


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 Post subject: Re: Building a computer
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:36 am 
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Bobington wrote:
Thank you everyone for your input so far, every little bite of information helps. So some information and thoughts about these parts and your responses.

1.First off about the graphics card, to me anything above a integrated card is great. Especially considering the computer I currently use has a integrated card and it can can't handle games like Gmod at times( I get around 15-40fps on Gmod). I know that the HIS IceQ Radeon 6570 is out of stock. Things are constantly going in and out of stock, which bugs me so. Thus I have been looking at a few other GPUs here:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=14-127-686&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Keywords=%28keywords%29#scrollFullInfo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814162117
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130827
P.S. about the refurbished cards I had already decided that if I were to get a refurb I would get a 1-2 year warranty from New Egg, specifically the ones for refurbishments.

The first and third cards have 1 gb of memory, the second card has 2.
The bit architecture is the same, the only difference is the GB and the GPU ram type.
Since you don't plan on doing a lot of high performance gaming with your lower budget, I wouldn't go for the 2 gb, so it's down to the first and third cards. TBH go for the third card (EVGA), as the memory on that has higher transfer rates(GDDR5 compared to DDR3), but if you don't, the first card will do you good. (The second one is like $2 cheaper than the third one, so just scrap it).
Between the first and third cards, the first one has HDMI, DVI, and VGA.
The third card has mini HDMI, and 2 DVI.
TBH, DVI is more common than HDMI, and vga is older. However if you wanted to use two monitors, having two DVI outputs is going to make it easier to find two monitors. PLUS, if you have a VGA monitor, the third card has a DVI to VGA adapter, so you're covered there.

I would pick the third one, but if budget is a struggle, the first one will get you by with minor weaknesses compared to the third.
Plus, EVGA cards look BA.
(Also, I have an EVGA card, I'm doing my best to be unbiased, but I've had a good experience with my EVGA card, although both of the other cards were from very good OEMs as well. So it's really up to you. Look up reviews all over for anything before you buy it.)


BTW, your motherboard could use some revision.
Original: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813157280 ($93)
Suggested: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813157319 ($78)

Only difference is the suggested comes with: 1 less PCI (regular) slot, 1 more sata 6gb/s, no esata, no S/PDIF (lol who uses either), and 2 more USB ports.

So you're losing stuff you probably won't use, and gaining 1 sata, and 2 USB, while saving $15.

Plus my suggested looks cooler :p


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 Post subject: Re: Building a computer
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:32 am 
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Well for some reason or another your link will not work for me, but I took into consideration looking at other motherboards and so far this is all I have found:

*EDIT(Fixed URL)*
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131873

From what I know ASUS is a reliable brand, but in addition this would support higher frequency memory such as 1600Mhz as you had suggested in the earlier reply( it can go support ram as high as 1866Mhz not being OC). And in terms of price it has a limited offer of 10$ of so it would be the same prices as the ASRock Mobo but it also has free shipping :D. Not 100% sure if I will go with it, but I guess I will just have to do some more research on it.


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 Post subject: Re: Building a computer
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:21 pm 
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Bobington wrote:
Well for some reason or another your link will not work for me, but I took into consideration looking at other motherboards and so far this is all I have found:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131873

From what I know ASUS is a reliable brand, but in addition this would support higher frequency memory such as 1600Mhz as you had suggested in the earlier reply( it can go support ram as high as 1866Mhz not being OC). And in terms of price it has a limited offer of 10$ of so it would be the same prices as the ASRock Mobo but it also has free shipping :D. Not 100% sure if I will go with it, but I guess I will just have to do some more research on it.


Just fixed my post, links should work now.


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 Post subject: Re: Building a computer
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:21 am 
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Well, I have looked into some different motherboards and I believe I will go with the ASUS: M5A97 R2.0 mobo. This one has many more USB 2.0 slots in addition to being able to support better DDR3 Ram all the way up to 1866Mhz(before it was a max of 1333Mhz with ASrock). It is also compatible with the CPU I have chosen (AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor ) in addition it, is also compatible with corsair (2x4Gb) ram I have looked at. In general it just seems to be able to support more things, which in the future will be nice to have. In terms of reputation based upon NewEgg reviews it seems to have been better off. I actually found a set of videos of someone creating a build with the M5A97 R2.0 mobo with the Phenom II X4 965 CPU, so it has shown me a better idea of what I am looking at so I think I will stick this ASUS motherboard and AMD processor.

But I am still not done. I still have to determine what GPU I want and then I might go back and revise the Power supply.
Some side notes of other computer related things that I have looked into today( in my house that is):

-Found an old flat screen monitor that uses the D-Sub connector.
-Found an extra keyboard.
-Still need to find a mouse.

In terms of the budget, that of the original build at the very top of this topic, the mobo and ram will send the overall budget up about 4.40$. Which is something that is great considering these are decent improvements. If you are wondering how it only caused the price to go up 4.40$ was because there was free shipping on the ASUS mobo(95$total) that was not offered on the ASrock mobo(93$ total), then the 1600Mhz ram was 2$ more. The .40$ is tax....dumb tax.

Links regarding things above:

-CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727

-Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=13-131-873&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Keywords=%28keywords%29#scrollFullInfo

-RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145345

-Video I found: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLAZrRrKDMM

In conclusion any feedback is still appreciated, and all help give is great!


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